Note 2013--I have a more detailed post on starting Babywise Late here.
- Read the tips for starting late found in Babywise.
- Read the CIO Bootcamp post on this blog
- With Brayden, I first started the eat, play, sleep, eat, play, sleep, etc. routine and also on getting him accustomed to eating every 2.5-3 for about a week before I dove into CIO. That is just what I did. You can start it all at once if you want to.
- Expect your baby to be behind what the book says he should be doing at certain ages. He will catch up though. He won't be behind forever. Brayden was a couple of months behind for a couple of months, then by six months he was pretty much right on.
- If you are starting with CIO, I would start at bedtime. The child is the sleepiest and it should be the shortest CIO session (though I am sure some child out there is going to prove me wrong!).
- I would start the feeding schedule in the morning and go from there. Eat, play, sleep. Follow the schedule.
- Know that Babywise babies who start at birth do vary in the timeline, so yours can and will, too.
- You might want to keep a log on intervals of waketime and naps and such so you can more easily see a pattern when you need to fix problems.
- You will run into difficulties. Address them as they come. Do it according to your personality. I like to face one thing at a time, so I address one issue at a time.
- If you have a much older baby or a toddler, read the books that lead up to your age as well as the age you are at. They all have schedule suggestions and structure suggestions.
- Mom2Cohen said...
...my son is 12 weeks old and has yet to sleep through the night. I have just read BW and I am ready to start. My question is...do I just jump in and start at the next feeding or is it best to start in the morning, night, etc? Any other tips or advice for someone like me who is starting late? Thanks so much!
December 27, 2007 4:51 PM
It would depend on what you are are starting. If you are going to start full-on with CIO and everything, I would start CIO at bedtime. That is the sleepiest time of day, so I think it will be the most successful CIO time.For feedings, I would start at the beginning of a new day. Good luck! I will do a post on starting late; I started at 9 weeks with Brayden, so I have been there.
December 27, 2007 4:56 PM
- Mom2Cohen said...
WOW! BW worked great! So here is what we did for our first night...8:30 - layed him down 9:15 - he went to sleep 9:50 - he woke up 10:30 - he went to sleep (This was the hardest period we had all night) 3:15 - he woke up/I fed him (since this was our first night CIO and he is used to eating several times at night I went ahead and allowed one feeding)3:45 - layed him down 4:30 - he went to sleep (he didn't cry for this entire time...he just layed there and looked around) 7:30 - he woke up/ I fed him. Overall, I would say that yes it was very difficult to hear him cry. However, DH was able to "listen" via monitor while I occupied myself doing other things which helped me out a lot! This morning we layed him down at 9:00 and he cooed in his crib until 9:30 when he fell asleep. That is where we are at so far...I will update more later! Thanks for all your help! I will be checking in frequently as I think this is a great resource!
December 28, 2007 8:46 AM
That is wonderful! I am so glad it all went well. Hang on to that memory. You are likely to have some hard days intermingled with the good ones. It does get better!When I started Brayden on BW, he was waking twice a night. Within a week, once a night was his norm. I did nothing to try to prevent him from waking at night, I just worked on the day stuff and the night fixed itself. I look forward to hearing about your progress!
December 28, 2007 9:14 AM
- mommynik said...
I'm back! :) I started doing CIO back in February. We have had a roller coaster and I have a hard time letting my 5 month old cry b/c of small house/hardwood floors/etc. I came to my mom's house to "work it out" and it is just like at home after several nights.My problem isn't getting him to go to sleep, it is the night waking. If I let him cry, he is so sleep deprived already, that he squirms and wiggles to a place in his crib and needs rescued. Do you rescue or just let him cry? He could easily cry for 1 to 2 hours in the middle of the night. If I let him go, it seems to be never ending and it still happens every night.What is the deal? Everyone acts like it is a quick association. It isn't.I am letting CIO for naps, etc. but nothing is stopping his night waking. Do you have some suggestions? (and I'm still nursing 1 -2 times a night b/c BF & not sure a 13 lb baby can reasonably go all night.)
April 6, 2008 9:31 PM
It isn't a fast process, and the older the baby, the longer it will take to work through it. If he gets himself into a strange position in the crib, I would definitely get him. Also, until daytime is worked out, I wouldn't worry about the night. You and he both need good sleep at night to make it through the CIO in the day. He should make it better at night once he figures the self-soothing out. I would just get him, feed him, then put him back to bed. It will take time, but it will improve. Good luck! See these posts:Progress is a Spiral: http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/01/progress-is-in-spiral.html When Does it Get Better?: http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2007/12/when-does-it-get-better.html
April 6, 2008 10:44 PM
- Zasha said...
Hi there,I just found your blog by chance! I live in Tokyo, Japan and have a 3+ week old baby boy (born on May 2nd). As you can imagine, my life has turned topsy turvy since his arrival. It's the happiest time in my life and yet the hardest.I was encouraged to demand feed and that is what I ha done since day 1. However, it is not working out for me. I am exhausted and it's taking a toll on me physically and emotionally.My baby will not go to sleep (day or night) on his own. I have to nurse him to sleep and then put him in his moses basket. Sometimes he sleeps for 2 hours, sometimes only 30 minutes. It's all very unpredictable. My friend suggested Babywise and is sending me the book. I am looking forward to reading it and practicing it although I must say that I am quite the skeptic! (perhaps my exhaustion talking here) Here are some questions which I hope you don't mind answering:
1) If I were to start at 4 weeks-6 weeks old, is it too late? Can I undo what I had already done? (nursing him to sleep, putting him in a sling to sleep?)
2) I have started to loosely try BabyWise by doing the feed/play/sleep routine. I feed him for at least 30 minutes, then we play with him. He often gets tired after about 30 minutes (starts yawning, rubbing eyes, fussing). Then, I put him in his moses basket and he starts crying bloody murder (all the while with his eyes shut)! My husband and I have have left our baby to cry it out several times (for his day sleep) but oh, boy, can he cry! Our baby can cry for 1.5 hours! We tried to soothe him..pat him etc but nothing worked. The cry would just escalate until we get tired of hearing him and pick him up. The moment he gets picked up, he's quiet. Do you think he's crying so much because he's too young to understand? What am I doing wrong? I read that other babies cry for 15 minutes or 30 minutes and mine goes on endlessly. What should I do? Should I wait until he's at least 6 weeks old? I am at my wits end...Thank you so much for your blog..I look forward on starting our baby on BabyWise and hope that it works for us!
May 25, 2008 9:37 PM
Zasha, I am glad you found the site! Hopefully it can be helpful to you. 1-4-6 weeks definitely isn't too late. I started at 9 with my son, and he really is a model BW kid (now 3 years old). You can undo--though you should expect some difficulty. The later you start, the harder it is; I started at birth with my daughter (13 months) and it was much easier with her. 2-I think he is crying because it is something new and not what he is used to. Since he stops crying as soon as you get him, I would say nothing is wrong with him other than he doesn't like the new arrangement. Be sure to check out the CIO bootcamp linked in this post, also see this post:Should You Do CIO? http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2007/11/should-you-do-cio.html
Also, many many babies cry for much longer than 15 or 20 minutes. So, your son isn't strange in the least. Whenever you start, just be sure you are ready to do it all the way. If you don't stick it out, it will make the training even harder, so it is better to start when you are really committed. Be sure to look through the blog index...there are so many posts :) Good luck and don't hesitate to ask questions when they come up!
Take Note of the Index: http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/02/take-note-of-index.html
May 26, 2008 10:17 AM
- Skvaril's said...
Superb site! Thank you for such a valuable source. I have a 5 month old and I definitely fall into the "starting late" category. Before finding Babywise, we had consistently had our baby on a wake eat sleep cycle schedule and had implemented CIO resulting in our baby going down for naps and sleep fairly easily. However, at the 4 month mark, naps became short and night wakings for feeds became more frequent. This is when I sought an answer and found Babywise and your site. My question is: What problem do I address first? He is on a 3 hour schedule, gets the dreamfeed but still consistently wakes 2 times (1 and 4) a night for feeding. I've tried CIO for these periods but after over 2 hours, fed him and he ate a full meal. Seems from all the postings on this site that he is getting plenty of calories during the day since we still haven't managed to get past the 3 hour routine. I started the introduction of solids but that is a work in progress. His waketime during the day is roughly 90 to 105 minutes. However, his naps have begun getting shorter (45 minutes). I tried the suggestions of shortening wake time (this whole past month has been trial and error...mostly error) but his nap times are still not increasing. I read a post which you indicated your son hated to sleep. I'm wondering if I just have one of those. When he wakes early from naps he's fussy so I know he's not well rested. Nowadays it seems the only thing that I have been able to control is morning waketime and bedtime (he's a 6:30 - 6:30 baby). I try to devote each day to establishing the Babywise routine but after seeing no results after a month of trying to implement the Babywise books and this site and not seeing any results, I'm just discouraged. Any advice would be welcome!
July 15, 2008 9:50 PM
Skvarils, Thanks for the thanks! I would suggest this post:Getting a Consistent Schedule: http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/01/getting-consistent-schedule.html
I always suggest getting the day down first because the night will usually follow. There are some babies out there who, despite their mother's best efforts, sleep only 45 minutes. It is rare, but does seem to happen. I would work on it, but try to not stress about it. Remember it takes at least 8 weeks for things to seem to click, and possibly longer when you start late. I would give it some more time for both of you to figure it out. See my post from today; the work is hard, but so well worth it! :)
July 17, 2008 9:05 PM
- Katie said...
Hi, My daughter is 10 weeks old and I've been doing babywise for about a week now. Prior to babywise, I was parenting on demand, and Lily was fussy a lot of the day and up erratically at night. Now, she puts herself to sleep (happily) and sleeps from 9PM to 6 AM, eats, and goes back down until 9 AM. She is happy when she wakes up! My problem is with naps! She simply does not want to take as many naps as recommended but I am confused on how to schedule in a three hour cycle that does not involve a nap every three hours (or if I skip a nap, wait for 6 hours, which is too long!) For naps she wants to take, she happily goes down with not a peep but if she doesn't want to nap, she screams the entire time she's in her room (max 45 minutes is my limit). To me it seems that is she has learned to go down herself, and is sleeping through the night, that I have accomplished the goal of the book and can adjust the rest of the schedule accordingly. Have you had experience with this? If so, how?Thanks in advance for your advice!!
September 11, 2008 3:44 AM
I would caution against not getting enough sleep. See this post:Sleep Begets Sleep : http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/08/sleep-begets-sleep.html What I would do is keep a log and try to see a pattern in the times she doesn't "want" to sleep. See if it is the same time each day and what happens before these naps. 10 weeks is young enough that she needs her nap each cycle, so I would find out the reasons for her fighting certain naps. These posts can help you:Waking Early From Naps/Won't Fall Asleep For Naps: http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/01/waking-early-from-napswont-fall-asleep.html Nap Cues : http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2008/03/nap-cues.html BW Tips and Tricks: Keep a Log: http://babywisemom.blogspot.com/2007/12/tips-and-tricks-keep-log.html She sounds like she is doing great, so you should definitely feel good about where you are thus far.
September 15, 2008 3:11 PM