Monday, May 26, 2008

Helpful Routine Information

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Jamie H. from one of the Babywise Groups I am in sent a chart out a few months ago that lists several items from a daily routine. It is has some helpful information on it, so I thought I would post the information here. There are some discrepancies between the chart and the book, so I have noted those differences.

Phase One: 1 – 2 months (Stabilization Period)

0-2 weeks
  • 2.5-3 hour cycle
  • 7-8 feedings (however, in Babywise it says 8-10 feedings in a 24 hour period)
  • 6-8 naps (though I think it can be 5-8 naps)
  • Nap are 1 hour -1.5 hours long
  • Waketime is 15-30 minutes long (I am not sure if this included feeding time; I find it to be more like 15-45 minutes long--many two week olds will stay awake only long enough to eat, which is why there is the 15 minute length)
  • Sample schedule from this age: *=no waketime after feeding
    7:00 am
    10: 00 am
    1:00 pm
    4:00 pm
    7:00 pm
    *10:00 pm
    *1:00 am
    *4:00 am
    (If it were me, I would have 2.5 time intervals in the day so there are at most 2 night feedings...I consider 10 pm to be night feeding).
3-8 weeks
  • 3-3.5 hour feeding cycle (However, in Babywise it says between weeks 5-8, your baby might be ready to eat every 2.5-3.5 hours. So I would say 2.5-3 hour until 5 weeks, then maybe 2.5-3.5 if baby is ready)
  • 6-8 feedings (However, in Babywise it says between weeks 5-8, your baby might be able to go down to 7 feedings in a 24 hour period--but only after she starts sleeping 7-8 hours at night. It also says not to go down to 6 feedings until after 8 weeks old)
  • 5-6 naps (though the exact number is going to depend on how many feedings you have in the daytime)
  • Naps are 1.5-2 hours long (though I would add that they can be as short as 1 hour if you are still on a 2.5 hour cycle)
  • Waketime is 30-45 minutes (though I think some might be able to go as long as one hour)
  • Sample schedule from this age: *=no waketime after feeding
    7:00 am
    10: 00 am
    1:00 pm
    4:00 pm
    7:00 pm
    *10:00 pm
    *1:00 to 3:00 am
    *Additional am [possible]
Phase Two: 3-4 months (Extended Night Period)
9-15 Weeks
  • 3-4 hour feeding cycle (though Babywise says this shouldn't happen until weeks 12-15 at the earliest. So I would say anywhere from 2.5-3.5 hour cycle, moving possibly toward 4 hour cycle at the end of this phase)
  • 5-6 feedings in a 24 hour period (Though Babywise says starting at 13 weeks, your baby should be at 5-7 feedings a day)
  • 4-5 naps (though exact number does depend on number of daytime feedings)
  • Naps are 1.5-2 hours long (though Babywise does say 1.5 hours)
  • Waketime is 30-60 minutes long (some babies might be able to move up to 1.5 hour waketime, and most should be able to do 60 minutes total at least)
  • Sample schedule for this period: *=no waketime after feeding
    7:00 am
    10: 30 am
    2:00 pm
    5:30 pm
    *9:00 pm
    *(11:30 pm)
    Sleeping through the night!!!! The goal! (STTN means Baby can gradually move to 9-10 hours of continuous sleep if breastfed, 11 hours if bottlefed. I will also add, you don't want to extend your routine until baby is sleeping through the night. You also don't want to extend it until that dreamfeed is dropped, so that 11:30 feeding would be gone before you dropped daytime feedings. You want long, continuous sleep at night for optimal development. So, if this were me, I would have a 7:30 feeding right before bed. I also wouldn't have that 9 and 11:30 feedings. If baby needed an extra feeding, I would shorten the daytime schedule back to three hours to work the right number of feedings in).
Phase Three: 4-5 Months (Extended Day Period)
16-24 Weeks
  • 4 hour feeding cycle (though I will point out that not all babies are there yet, so don't stress if yours isn't)
  • 4-5 feedings (though Babywise says 4-6 liquid feedings)
  • 3 naps
  • Naps are 1.5-2 hours in length
  • Waketime is 45-75 minutes (could possibly be 1.5 and maybe even two hours--but be aware if longer waketimes start creating shorter naps--I also think babies this age will be able t do at least 60 minutes of waketime)
  • Sample Schedule for this age: *=no waketime after feeding
    8:00 am
    12: 00 pm
    4:00 pm
    *8:00 pm
Phase Four: 5 Months and Older (Extended Routine Period)25 weeks and older
  • Family Cycle (this means baby will align meals with the family. Be aware that you need 4-5 liquid feedings. Most babies will stick with that 4 hour routine until close to a year)
  • 2 naps a day (however, this doesn't happen until 6 months at the earliest. By 6 months, Babywise says most babies can drop that third nap. Babywise II says a 6 month old will need 2 naps and a catnap (short nap). I have found Babywise II to be more accurate for my children. Both Babywise II and Toddlerwise say that by 8 months, most babies will be able to drop that 3rd nap (catnap). Remember, you are the parent. If you have a big sleeper and she is still sleeping well at night, you don't need to eliminate that nap.)
  • Waketime of 60-90 minutes (though baby will be able to move to at least 2 hours and longer during this time period)
  • Sample Schedule for this age:
    8:00 am + solids
    12: 00 pm + solids
    5:00 pm + solids
    *8:00 pm
Be sure to check out this post for all Babywise Milestones as listed in the book:
Babywise Milestones :
Also, for more sample schedules, see this post:
Sample Schedules :


Brian, Beth and Sophie Bowers said...

I am hoping you can help me. My baby girl is 8 weeks old, and we have been trying to implement Babywise principles with her. She is on a eat/wake/sleep cycle, and we finally have the eating part down (I had many difficulties with breastfeeding). She is basically on a 3 hour schedule during the day. We feed her between 10:30 and 11:00 at night, and sometimes she will wake for two feedings in the middle of the night (about 2:30 and 5:30), and sometimes we get way with only one (about 3:30 and then again at about 7:00). Her wake times are happy and she seems to have the ability to stay awake for a pretty good amount of time. In general, I try and put her down for a nap about 1 1/2 hours before her next feeding time. Sometimes she signals tiredness earlier, and sometimes she falls asleep while doing an activity like taking a walk in the stroller. We have not been great about putting her down without trying to "help" her go to sleep. During the night (any sleep time between 8:00 p.m. and 8:00 a.m. basically), however, we do put her down and she goes right to sleep without help. My problem right now is with naps. I have been working on putting her down while she is still awake and allowing her to cry. Well, for the last two days, she has cried on and off for as long as an hour and a half at nap times. Tonight, she cried for a full nap time. Obviously, we checked on her several times, tried to sooth her and comfort her, but she never fell asleep. How long do we let her cry? I even tried putting her down 15 minutes earlier, following the advice about overstimulation. I almost lost my mind. The other thing we struggle with is her waking early from a nap once she finally settles down. Sometimes I think this has to do with gas, but regardless it is troublesome. I am feeling pretty discouraged, and I am not sure what to do about this. I am hoping you can help me. I want to stick with this--all other aspects are working beautifully, we just can't seem to get this nap thing together, and I am afraid this is hindering the process of her sleeping through the night as well. Any suggestions?

Kurz Studio Photography said...

so during the 3-4 month period, did you feed for the last time at 7:30 pm and have the baby wake at 5:30 am so that you didn't go over 10 hours? or did you put the baby to bed later? did you wait until 16 weeks to let baby sleep 12 hours, then start extending the day? just curious, with a 13 week old... =)

KB said...

Hello - its me again...
Hoping you can give me some schedule/feeding advice...
so my DS is 6 weeks old - weighs 11lbs and 4oz.
He feeds approx. 6.30am/9am/12pm/3.30pm/6pm and then bed (after a bath) by around 6.45/7pm...
He has acid reflux so i cant really dream feed him - he wakes up naturally for his first feed anywhere between 12pm and 1.30am...and i feed him (he takes a full bottle here and i change his diaper)...
Then he wakes at 4.30ish - i was giving him the pacifier at this time to see if it was feeding or just a sucking need - this goes on for about 45mins or so and then i just pick him up at 5.30am and bring him into my bed to and let him sleep on me (again he HAS to have the pacifier) until 6.30am.

My question is basically - what woudl you do? I was telling my husband that i feel like i should just go ahead and feed him about 2-3 oz at 4am to get him naturally to the 6.3am start time rather then repeatedly go into give the pacifier (its not like either of us are really sleeping while this is going on). My little DD was eating about 2 times a night until she was 7 weeks and she dropped each feeding herself (naturaly) and i feel like i should let him do his own natural night time thing until he is about 10 weeks or so before i try to "train him" to drop a night feeding.
Please advise! FYI - he is getting about 6 feedings right now and he is exclusively bottle fed.

KCH said...

I have been reading your post for a couple months now. I wish I had found it sooner. Thanks for all of your wonderful advice.
My son is 10 months old and one of our struggles is a very early morning waketime. He is usually up between 5:30 and 5:45. It doesn't matter what time he goes to bed - whether it be 6pm or 8pm, he is always up at the same time. We aim for 6:30 bedtime, but sometimes it just isn't possible. I am wondering if there is a way to train him to start the day a little later. He is usually very predictable - waketime for about 2+ hours and then nap for 1-2 hours. The babywise principle of nursing and then immediately giving solids hasn't worked for us. If he nurses, he isn't interested in eating for at least an hour. And even then, he's not very interested in eating. He's quite an active one - sitting still to eat is a struggle! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, KC

Judy said...

My son is 15 weeks now but is not sleeping through the night yet. He is on a 3 hour schedule
(7,10,1,4,7,12,4). Just recently, he started eating much less from the breast. So I pumped and fed him from the bottle to confirm. He is eating significantly less. I'm figuring that he does not need to eat as often and that I need to stretch time between his feedings. However, you suggest that one should not stretch the time until the baby is STTN which my baby is not. Also, he's nap time and wake time has not extended. So how should I adjust his schedule so that he is not snacking. I feel like he can go 4 hours between eating but I don't think he can stay awake and sleep that long. What do you think? Btw,
thank you so much for this blog! It's provided me with so much support during tough times.

Courtney said...

My son is 10 weeks old and is still not sleeping through the night. I am feeding every 3 hours during the day. He is able to stay awake for about 1 hour and 15 minutes each wake period. He naps great during the day. His last feeding (dream feed) is at 10pm. Then he usually wakes up sometime between 3:30 and 4:30. He has made it to 5am but only 3 times. For the past 4 nights, I have fed him only 5 minutes on each side to try to wean him. I'm afraid to decrease my times any further because I think he is truely hungry. Is there anything that I should do to try to get him to sleep until 7am? Or, should I just be patient and let him do it on his own?

Any adviced would be appreciated. Thanks!

Plowmanators said...


I would say she needs a shorter waketime. Most babies her age need only 1 hour total. Also, she is learning a new form of falling asleep; it will likely be pretty rough at first. Have you read the CIO bootcamp? CIO Bootcamp:

Focus on her being able to fall asleep on her own initially, then start to focus on the early waking. She will likely be able to sleep through the nap once she can fall asleep and self-soothe.

Plowmanators said...


I still did a dreamfeed at that age at 9:45. I put to bed after the 7PMish feeding, then woke her up at 9:45, fed her, and put her back down. See the dropping the dreamfeed post for more on that:

Dropping the "Dream Feed":

Plowmanators said...


He should be getting more than 6 feedings right now, so I would for sure feed him at that 4 am feeding. I especially would do that rather than train him to come to bed with me. Good luck! Reflux babies can take longer to drop those night feedings since they usually need to eat more often. Hang in there! Be sure to check out this post for number of feedings by age (I also found my daughter who had reflux was on the higher end of number of feedings needed):

Babywise Milestones:

Plowmanators said...


For starting the day later, I would just wait to start him by 5-15 minutes each day. Hopefully he will get used to eating later and sleep later.

Before you feed solids, try nursing one side, feeding solids, then nursing the other side.

Plowmanators said...


You can stretch feeding times if it doesn't cause you to drop a feeding. So you can do a combo schedule of 3-3.5 hours. Of course, you can drop a day feeding if you want to, but it will most likely only prolong the time until that night feeding is dropped.

If you move to a four hour before he can sleep until feeding time, you are only going to cause more stress for yourself. Try the combo schedule first. A few moms found things clicked better after extending the schedule. You can always try it and see what happens, then go back if he isn't ready. Good luck!

Plowmanators said...

If he is truly hungry, then I would either add a feeding in the day, or just wait it out. You don't want to decrease the food if he is hungry. He is still young :)

Judy said...

Thanks for your response. I definitely do think he's ready for a combo 3.0/3.5 but I'm still unsure how to extend to
3.5 hours. So if he has waketime for 1 1/2 hours and naps for 1 or 1 1/2 hours and I extend his schedule to 3.5 hours, what do I do with the leftover 30 minutes to 1 hour after he wakes up from his nap? I'm afraid that will mess up the eat/wake/nap pattern. It will look more like eat/wake/nap/wake, no?

heather said...

My daughter is approaching 8 months and really isn't on a 4-hour schedule YET. She has had trouble gaining weight, so I've wanted to keep 5 feedings for a little while longer. But looking ahead to the 4-hour schedule, if we begin at 7am, our last feeding has to end at 7pm? She has never been a 12 hour sleeper so I usually put her down at 8pm. How would this work?

heather said... more thing. I'm assuming that the eat/wake/sleep cycle is a little different when moving to this 4-hour schedule with only two naps. Is this correct? Do the morning naps remain at the same time when the 3rd nap is dropped, or do they adjust a little?

Plowmanators said...

Wow, it looks like I am not getting email notifications today of all comments...I was only told of one of Heather's...

okay, Judy,
I wouldn't really extend the schedule until he can sleep longer. Have you tried shortening his awake time a bit to try to get him to sleep longer? You can have a short waketime before feeding (15-20 minutes) but you don't really want more than that. See this post for more on that:

Eat/Wake/Sleep Cycle:

Plowmanators said...


For my daughter, the whole last feeding plus getting ready for bed usually lasts about 45 minutes. So if you were to feed her and then get her ready for bed and do your routine, you could get her closer to 8 PM. Also, you could start the last feeding a little later than 7 if she will do it.

It is a bit different with two naps, but not really. Here is our schedule:

7:30 wake up and eat breakfast
9:30 nap
11:30 wake up and eat lunch
1:30 nap
3:45 wake up and drink some milk
5:30 dinner with family
7:00 last liquid feeding of the day

Kaitlyn is 13 months. So without that third nap, you do have a period of no sleep betweeen eating. You can have only 3 liquid feedings at this age also, but she won't drink enough milk in three most days. Also, that milk is a nice thing to hold her over until dinner time.

heather said...

Thank you so much. That really helps! I'm such a "visual" person...I have to see it to really get it! :)

ckim56 said...

I'm really confused about what kind of schedule my 4 month old should be on and i was hoping you could help...
I was reading the 4-5 month old sample schedule and I'm not sure how to implement a few things. First- how do you transition from a 3 hour schedule to 3.5 or 4 hours?
also, how do you drop the dream feed? his schedule has been 7am, 10, 1, 4, 7pm, and then i dreamfeed at around i just not feed him? in the past I have tried this and he would wake me up at 1am crying to eat (he is STTN, has been for a month or so) Am i supposed to let him cry at 1am back to sleep?

When I feed him at 7 I don't put him right back to bed like the schedule suggests, i usually have a little awake time, a bath, and then he goes to bed. is this wrong?

For the past week he has not been sleeping well, is it typical to have trouble at 4mos with sleeping? I was wondering to if you thought maybe the trouble with sleeping was b/c it is time for less naps, maybe he's not tired?
Thank you so much for your advice!!! i love this website so much.

Georgie Bellas said...

Hi, I have a new question about the feeding schedule. I have been doing the 1.5-2.0hr wake time; however, I just thought of something that might be throwing me off. Generally, when my LO goes for a nap she will wake after about an hour which is usually about an hour shy of her feeding time. I have still been feeding her on her scheduled time, but her awake time includes the hour she is awake after her nap (and before the feed) and about half hour to 45 mins of awake time after the feed. My question is, should I be adjusting her feeding times so that her 1.5hrs of awake time comes after the feed or is it okay to have the 1.5hr awake time separated to occur prior to the feed and shortly after? Sorry if this question is confusing. Any advice would be appreciated.

Georgie Bellas said...

Hi Valerie,
I think I found my answer in one of your blogs. If I'm understanding the whole process than it is okay to have approx. 20 mins of awake time before the feed, but no more so to give bub a full tummy to learn and be happy. So, I've adjusted my wake/feed times accordingly. Thanks for all your information.

Georgie Bellas said...

Hi, just one more ? with this issue,
How do you get to the 3.0hr/3.5hr cycle if baby wakes up after only short naps (with sometimes 30-45 mins before the scheduled feed)? If I adjust the feed time to be earlier than we are back to a 2.5hr cycle and my LO is 21 weeks. Do you extend the wake time or shorten the wake time? Should i keep the feedings on schedule allowing for perhaps 40 minute waketime prior to or should i move the feed up to shorten that wake time before the feed. What would you do? thanks, georgie

Plowmanators said...

Hi Georgie,

You are correct, it is okay to have up to 20 minutes of waketime after waking, but at that point you do want to feed him and start the cycle.

If your baby falls asleep quickly but then wakes early from the nap, then he most likely needs a shorter waketime. If he plays first, falls asleep, then wakes early, than the waketime is likely too short.

You want naps to be anywhere from 1.5-2 hours, so if it were me, I would work on figuring that out...see this post:

Naps: Troubleshooting:

Georgie Bellas said...

thank you Valerie,
I will monitor her behaviour with regards to the naps and see if the waketime requires shortening or lengthening. Now I have something to look for that is a little more concrete...thank you!

Rachel Stellaaa said...

I noticed that during the earlier months on the suggested schedule it suggests giving baby awake time after the early night feeding (7:00ish) but none after the late night feeding. Then slowly the bed time without an awake period becomes earlier as the baby gets older. It sounds like you suggest always having an earlier bedtime without an awake period, but I have heard that sometimes younger babies have a hard time sleeping for an extended period of time (even with their feeding needs taken care of). Do you, or anyone else, know much about this? It seems like putting a baby to bed earlier when they are really young would help because then you might avoid the fussy evening time, but then it might cause them to not sleep as long at night (if the above information about them not being able to sleep for an extended segment is true). Sorry this is so long! Thanks for your awesome blog. Wish I had found it sooner!

Plowmanators said...

I am not really sure. After that time period of feeding, I always changed Kaitlyn into her PJs and read her a story, so by the time she had eaten, changed, and read a story, it was really about a normal waketime length anyway for a young baby. So we have never really had "playtime" following that feeding, but there is some amount of waketime.

ckim56 said...

when and how do you drop the 4th nap? I'm not sure if this happens once baby is on a 4 hour cycle or if it should happen while he is on a 3-3.5 hour cycle...

ckim56 said...

oops!...I left out in my question that he is 4 1/2 months old...still on a 3 hour cycle (tho i am starting to try to get him on 3.5 hours)
so I guess i'm just unclear as to When and also How to drop that 4th nap. thank you!!!

Plowmanators said...

See these posts:

Dropping a Nap: A Weaning Process:

Dropping Naps:

Poll Results: What age did baby drop 4th nap (approximate)? :

Mark and Janna said...

Thanks for your blog! It has been so helpful, but I have a problem. My 3 week old consistently does not nap at all after the early evening feeding, which is the most inconvenient because that's when we are normally trying to eat dinner. She is on a 3 hour schedule, so normally her early evening feeding is at 5. She has been staying awake around 45 minutes to an hour, so I normally begin the process of putting her down around 5:45. Her other naps she has been doing great, putting herself to sleep within 15 minutes or less, but for some reason at this nap, she has been consistently CIO for the full 2 hour nap. I go in to check on her and nothing is ever wrong. I normally end up feeding her a little early, around 7:30 because she won't sleep. She then passes out after the 7:30 feeding and then I have to wake her up for her dream feed at 10:30. Is she overtired? Am I putting her down too early or too late?

Mark and Janna said...

One more thing...the schedule doesn't make sense. If she is on a 3 hour schedule and has about a 1 hour wake time, that would mean 2 hour naps, but BW says 1-1.5 hours naps. Am I expecting her to sleep too long?

Plowmanators said...

One thing is that is a typically fussy time of day for babies. If you need to, you can try putting her down for her nap in a swing at that time of day.

Also, she might not take a 2 hour nap. I know the schedule is hard for the baby who sleeps only one hour. It doesn't really add up--I noticed that when Kaitlyn was a newborn :). Many babies take a shorter nap at that time of day, also. A 45 minute nap at that time of day is okay.

Mark and Janna said...

Ok the evening is still terrible. When I try keeping her up longer, she gets really fussy and never ends up going to sleep. When I try putting her down earlier, she starts crying as soon as I lay her in the crib. I don't want her to dread taking a nap, but I'm not sure what to do. She won't sleep in the swing. She's almost 5 weeks now. Also, the nap before this (normally around 2:30 or 3) she naps great. A full 2 hours or more. She often can't handle a wake time during this time, so if I feed her at 2, she'll often sleep until 5. I'm wondering if her earlier waketimes are too long and she's making up for it during this nap. Its hard to tell what her waketimes should be because she still cries for a while before each nap since she's still sleep training. Should I keep trying to tweak her schedule or wait until she is better at putting herself to sleep?

Plowmanators said...

It sounds like a typical fussy time of day. She should outgrow that before too long. You can also try adding some time to that waketime before that nap. hang in there!

LanesMommy said...

I have a question. My 12 week old is already on a 4 hour feeding schedule and has been since he was born, but what I am having trouble with are nap times. His feeding schedule is 1,12,4, and 8. So, I'm not sure how his naps should be since he is supposed to be on a 3 hour feeding schedule. What times would you suggest doing naps and for how long? Thanks in advance!

LanesMommy said...

Sorry, I meant his feeding times are 8,12,4,and 8.

Lauren said...

I am slightly confused! If an appropriate amount of wake time for a 4-5 month old is typically only 60-75 minutes, and their naps should be and hour and a half to two and a half hours, what do you do when there is left over time (i.e. they nap a shorter nap and end up waking up when it's only been 3 hours)?

More specifically, my daughter's appropriate amount of awake time seems to be 80 minutes (she is almost 5 months). She then takes good naps - 1.5hrs to 3hrs if I'd let her - until evening time which is okay because I believe she is weaning from the 4th nap and she does sleep through the night.

However, her schedule is currently varying daily because I'm having trouble knowing how to schedule her. If I let her nap as long as she wants, she'll take a real long one and then want two really short ones which messes up her scheduling - meaning she'll stay awake an hour and twenty minutes, get tired, only sleep an hour or so and then when she wakes up, I think just because she's used to it, she wants to eat. Anyways, if I waited until the 4 hour mark for her to eat, it would be almost time for her to go down again, too and this all just creates a crazy schedule!

Would you recommend just limiting her naps to 1.5 hrs until I can extend her wake time? Or should I do an adjusted schedule - like just be consistent with times but make one feeding 3hrs a part, and another 3.5, etc? I really want her schedule to get more consistent, I'm just not sure how to do it at this time. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

LanesMommy said...

I have a question. My 12 week old is already on a 4 hour feeding schedule and has been since he was born, but what I am having trouble with are nap times. His feeding schedule is 8,12,4, and 8. So, I'm not sure how his naps should be since he is supposed to be on a 3 hour feeding schedule. What times would you suggest doing naps and for how long? Thanks in advance!

jencwu said...

I am wondering how to transition to the 3-4 month old routine. My 12 week old is on a 7-10-1-4-7-10 (dreamfeed) schedule right now, though it varies anywhere from 3-3.5 hours. His bedtime (8pm) is the only very consistent time where he goes to sleep without crying at all, then after the dreamfeed sleeps until about 7am (sometimes wakes early when he hears our alarm clock at 6:30).

I'm worried about changing things since nights are going so well, but I know according to BW he's ready for an extended schedule and/or dropping the dreamfeed. From your description above it sounds like we should get him to drop the DF first, then extend daytime feedings to about 3.5-4 hrs. Is this correct? If so, how soon after the DF gets dropped should we extend the daytime schedule? Also the way BW describes dropping the DF is confusing to me... what are your recommendations? This is basically the routine we've been following since birth so I'm nervous to change it!

Plowmanators said...

Lanes Mommy, that depends on how long his waketimes are. However, the rough length would be anywhere from 1.5-2.5 hours in length. Keep in mind that 1.5 is perfectly acceptable as far as length of time he is sleeping, so don't dispair if that is "all" he sleeps.

See these posts for figuring out waketime lengths:

Optimal Waketime Lengths :

Extending Waketime :

Plowmanators said...

Lauren, Don't let her just sleep as long as she wants. You need to wake her once it is time to do so. See this post for help getting a consistent schedule:

Getting a Consistent Schedule:

Plowmanators said...

jencwu, yes, drop the dreamfeed first. After the dreamfeed is completely dropped, I would give it at least two weeks (I would do 4) before extending daytime feedings (unless he refuses to eat sooner). See this post for dropping the dreamfeed:

Dropping the "Dream Feed":

ethans mom said...

My LO is 5 wks old and we got off to a terrible start with a routine. We started strictly at 3wks and somedays are great and others are of kilter. He has slept 4hrs at night 1-3 times, but not consistently. I guess I am confused how to transition him to 3-3.5hr intervals and still maintaining 7,10,1,4. There is an extra 30min there. Not sure if I am confused, tired or both. Not sure how to transition him to the next phase. Is it too early?

Plowmanators said...

You want to stay on a 2.5-3 hour schedule in the day right now. See these posts for more guidance:

Babywise Milestones:

Sample Schedules :

ethans mom said...

I am havign a very difficult time with naps and my son. He will take 3 ~45 min naps in the morning and early afternoon, 1 1.5-2hr nap mid afternoon and then totally skip his evening nap around 5. Doing the CIO thing and he will cry the entire length of the nap until his next feeding. He did this once and I couldn't take it again, so now I put him down for his nap and let him cry 20-30 min and will get him because I can't take it. Lately his naps have been even shorter. I have tried shortening waketime, lengthening wake time, and even decreasing stimulation and play to almost nothing, and still I am having problems. I read the CIO bootcamp blog and I was wondering how long you let them cry before getting them up. Any suggestions for better nap time?

CE said...

Intervention may be needed for me! I am losing my schedule (including feeding) due to nap/bedtime irreguarlities! (I think)

My 14 wk old daughter started sleeping ~11 hrs/night about a week ago. Last night she slept nearly 12 hrs! At this time, she dropped from 6-7 feedings to 5-6. Her targeted schedule is 7-10-1-4-7. Now, her napping has become erratic, her feeding is off schedule (sometimes last feed at 5:30, sometimes at 6:30 or later) and I am left wondering if she is eating enough, I need to pump and if she is going to wake up at 5am again (which has happened a few times).

I think she has already gone through her 3mos growth spurt, as at about 11/12 weeks, she went from 1 nighttime feeding back to 2-3, then back to 1 before she dropped it entirely.

As far as I can tell, she is getting enough to eat with 5 feeds (poop, pee, disposition, etc). That said, I worry about it a lot. If she seems hungry and it hasn't been 2.5 hrs, then I'll feed her, but I try not to feed her at < 2 hrs very often. She has never shunned the breast when offered.

History of napping:
She is also a poor napper since about 8 wks...meaning, If I get 45-50min before she wakes up, then I am really happy, but typically it is exactly 30min. The only way I have been able to get her to sleep longer than that is to hold her and soothe her back to sleep, putting her back down when she is asleep. Sometimes she might sleep for 1.5 - 2 hrs after I get her back to sleep or if she had been in the carseat...but not often.

History of bedtime sleep process:
Up until this week, I had been nursing my daughter before bed and rocking her until she fell asleep. My husband was minimally involved in the bedtime routine, due to me trying to be practical with him working and needing sleep. Part of this was driven by her having reflux (so I needed to keep her upright for 20-30min after each feeding), but I must say that I wanted her to go to sleep without a lot of crying. Same deal for napping. I know this is not the BW/CIO way, but...that's what I have been doing.

Recent bedtime situation:
Sleeping ~11 hrs each night. Sometimes she wakes up after being asleep only 1 hr, but then goes back to bed until 5/6/7am.

I realize the error of my ways--I haven't helped my daughter learn to soothe herself back to sleep, etc., and I would like to start sleep training using some version of CIO. My husband wants to help, but I decided he had to help get my daughter to be first before we tried CIO. Well...the first night my husband put her to bed, she cried for 50min, then 20min, then 10, then 5. He put her in her crib awake and then sat by the crib and patted her until she fell asleep.

Recent napping situation:
I have also started to put her down for naps w/o being asleep...and she can put herself to sleep, but then she started to wake up after 20min...yes, 20min. If it is close to 2-3 hrs since her last feed, I feed her. But, sometimes it is not, and now I can't get her back to sleep. I am willing to do CIO, but I don't want to have nighttime CIO crying and daytime CIO crying at the same time--I am not sure I could handle that many potential hours of crying.

How do I re-gain control? I a new to the blog and have been reading a lot of the posts, but I feel like I have so many issues going on, I don't know where to start?

Short napper?
CIO for naps?
CIO for bedtime?
Early wake times?

My husband is very supportive and thinks I am stressing too much...he's probably right?


Plowmanators said...

Ethan's mom,

I am sorry I missed your comment until now. Please let me know if you are still having trouble.

Plowmanators said...


She is at the age BW says baby can move to 5-7 feedings a day if ready, so if she seems ready, I would go for it. Since she is breastfed, I would pump 10 hours before she gets up in the morning for a week or two longer just to ensure you keep that milk supply stimulation up.

It is normal to have the short naps at first while they are training.

I would start with the self-soothe first. See the blog label "CIO." Work on daytime first--including before bed--but not in the middle of the night. You will drive yourself crazy.

Once she gets the daytime self-soothing down, her naps should improve and quite possibly the early waketime. BUT she also might not quite be ready to sleep 12 hours, which would be 100% normal for her age. So if she is consistently waking early, she either needs to be fed early and put right back to bed, or fed a couple of hours after going to bed (a dreamfeed).

CE said...

Thanks for the reply.

I am not sure if I mentioned this, but Ella has been on 5-6 feedings/day for about 2 weeks when she started sleeping 10-12 hrs/night straight through...she just naturally dropped her 7th night feeding when she started sleeping 10-12 hrs. I haven't been pumping, and I have been worried about supply (I am a chronic worrier)...but until the last 2 nights, she didn't seem to be protesting (crying or getting up in the middle of the night). I didn't pump, because I kept thinking she would wake up to eat again! She didn't for 10 nights! However, the last 2 nights, she got up at 1:30am (Sun) and then 9:15pm (Mon), so maybe she is getting hungry and I should add the dreamfeed. I *do* hate to wake her up, when she was SSTN for 10-12 without ever having a dreamfeed.

For the past 4 days, I have been putting Ella down for her naps while awake, and she goes to sleep after about 5-15min w/minimal whimpering. However, at exactly 30min she continues to wake up crying. Today, she only whimpered at her morning nap, so I left her and after 40min, she slept for another 30min! But, then she wailed for the next 2 (after 30min). I was out, and my husband got her up after the 2nd nap, but for the 3rd, I let her cry for 10-15min, then sat with her until she fell asleep (awake again for 40min) for another 25-30min. Not true CIO, but I am trying!

We are trying to do the same for bedtime (putting down awake), but she is often so tired, that after nursing her, even with jostling and putitng in a swaddle...she is OUT! OR, she wails just b/c my husband is rocking her (as part of the bedtime routine) and not me.

ethans mom said...

I have resigned to the fact that my son hates to nap. I am still haveing troubles, but I am dealing with it since I read your blog on naps. He wakes up pleasant, so I figure he is fine with the amount of sleep he is getting. My other question is he just turned 10 wks old and still istn't sleeping through the night. He wakes up usually around 12 and 3 in the morning, but every night is a little different. He has slept 8.5 hrs, but that was only once. We started babywise a little late, would this make a difference? Should I give him a little longer or let him CIO for one of the nighttime feedings? I put him down to sleep at 7 and let him awake on his own. I tried the dreamfeed, but he didn't respond well to it.

Chase & Shalee said...

My 10 week old is on a 3-3.5 hour schedule and it has been working great for us. She STTN after her 10:45 DF until 7:15-7:30. The problem is that I am having to wake her from every nap to eat. She is getting 1.5 - 2 hr naps. I am not sure if I should give her more time between feedings so I am not always waking her. I am also not sure that she is ready for a 4 hr. schedule. I know you say to drop the DF before the 4 hr schedule. Also, with her first feeding at 7:30, how can I fit in enough feedings with a 3.5-4 hr schedule and still keep her "bed time" around 8:00-8:30?

Plowmanators said...

CE, I suggested the pumping because BW says to maintain supply to not go longer than 9-10 hours between feedings if you are BFing up to I think 16 weeks?

She is close to a growth spurt age, so if she needs more food, that wouldn't be uncommon. That might explain the early naps and the night wakings.

Plowmanators said...

Ethan's Mom,

Starting BW late does make a difference in when they reach those BW milestones.

I don't ever consider forcing a feeding to be dropped until 12 weeks. The book says a certain percentage don't sleep through the night until that age, so I wait until then to consider it. Since you don't do a DF, he will likely need one of those night feedings longer than those who do DF need a night feeding. That is normal and fine, just be aware of what to expect.

I would give him to 12 weeks and then evaluate the situation.

Plowmanators said...

Shalee, see this post:

Eat/Wake/Sleep Cycle:

Chase & Shalee said...

Thanks for your help. We have been doing the eat/wake/sleep cycle since birth and it is going great. Since posting I have dropped the DF and she did perfect still STTN. We have also gone to a 3-3.5 hour schedule that also seems to be going good so for now I am not going to push the 4 hour. Will probably wait at least until I introduce solids. Thanks for your help.

The Devines said...

Hi! I have a calculation question for you!
For 3-8 weeks (our son will be 7wks tomorrow), when BW suggests being able to go down to 7 feedings in a 24 hour period --but only if he starts sleeping 7-8 hrs a night, WHEN do you start counting the 7-8 hrs from? In the proposed schedule would it begin from the 7pm feeding because 10pm & 1/3am are dreamfeeds and therefore still sleeping? In which case in the example, you would be able to go down to 7 feedings?
We currently have 6 feedings (6:30am, 9:30, 12:00, 2:30, 5:00, 7:00) then our 10pm and 1/3am and 4/5am feedings (9 total), does this mean our son could go down to 7 feedings total, because he "sleeps" from 7pm until 1-3am?

Of course he is still waking up on a 2 hour schedule because of a recent growth spurt, but as he begins to sleep longer, do you think we are ready to try for fewer feedings (ie 7) with longer stretches?

ethans mom said...

Not sure what I am doing differently then everyone else. My son will be 14 weeks tomorrow and is still not sleeping through the night. He awakes early from all of his naps that are only lasting 30-45min. I have him on a 3 hour schedule (7,10,1,4)doing the eat/wake/sleep cycle. Wake times vary, however he cont to only nap a short period of time no matter how long or short nap times are. He has begun to get fussy at the breast. Not sure what I am doing wrong.

jencwu said...

Ethan's mom,
Sorry I can't be of help with the STTN part, my 5 1/2 mo has been STTN just as BW says. But he too was starting to get fussy at the breast, probably started around 3 mos I think. It got progressively worse and I was getting no help from lactation consultants, nurses, or his dr. because he was still gaining weight really well. I was getting so frustrated though because he would eat for a few mins, then get really fussy and refuse to eat more. I finally came to the conclusion that BF was not the happy bonding time it should be. So I started pumping and bottle feeding him breast milk. I still BF for the first feeding every day... for some reason he does well with that one, and I sometimes BF if I'm somewhere where it's easier to BF than pump (traveling across state to visit my fam for instance). It's been going really well and since he doesn't BF all the time anymore, it's almost like he views it as a treat when he gets it now. Good luck, I know how frustrating that is!

Plowmanators said...

You are welcome Shalee. That link I posted isn't just to do the EWS cycle, but thoughts from Anne Marie Ezzo (wife to Gary Ezzo) about waiting after baby wakes up a certain length of time before feeding. It sounds like things are working well for you.

Plowmanators said...


7-8 hours means 7-8 hours without a feeding at all. Even though he is still sleepy or asleep at the 10 and 3 feedings, it is a feeding. We are talking 7-8 hours between feedings.

The first feeding you want to drop when you do is that 3 AM feeding. Good luck!

Plowmanators said...

Ethans Mom,

As far as STTN, you really aren't alone in that. Many babies are not STTN at that age. For help on that, see the posts on nightime sleep.

Short naps are also common, so you aren't alone there. See the blog lable "45 minute intruder" for help there.

There are some possiblities for the breastfeeding. Most babies get significantly faster at nursing around 3 months old. Many moms try to force their child to eat as long as "usual," but it is unnecessary. They are just more efficient. If he starts off eating well, but finishes early, then it might be that.

If he starts off fussy, you might not be having a fast enough let-down for him.

He might be more aware of his surroundings and more interested in what is going on than eating.

Be sure to look into supply and what you are eating as possible problems.

See the blog lable "nursing" for more ideas on the topic.

Plowmanators said...

Thanks for your thoughts jencwu!

ethans mom said...

Thanks for the nursing tips jencwu! We are still dealing with short naps and he still wakes up 1-2 times per night. He is 16 weeks old and I feel like I have failed him. He is now taking all naps in his swing because he will cry the entire length of his nap in his crib. I figure at least in his swing he is getting some sleep. Plus,I have returned to work and it is just easier for my parents to put him in the swing. I am at a loss as to what to do. He sleeps fine in his crib at night, but that is about it, naps are still a fight. Any suggestions, or is this just something I have to deal with and hope he grows out of? Also, the few times he has slept 8-9 hours at night I have awoken because my breasts are so engorged. I have not pumped for for fear he will awake and want to eat as I am pumping. When he begins to sleep consistently through the night am I to pump in the middle of the night to relieve my breasts or will they adjust? Also, when my breast get engorged I have a reduction in milk supply for a few days after, so I try not to let this happen. My son has also been dealing with constipation, so I have not been able to start him on solids yet. Any help would be great!

nicolefiehler said...

I LOVE YOU BLOG! Thanks for all your practical insight...your blog has been my "go to" on several occasions!
My baby boy is 15.5 weeks old. He has been STTN with an 11:00 dreamfeed since he was 11 weeks old. I'm thinking that we are ready to try transitioning to a 4 hour schedule and dropping the dreamfeed. My first question is which would you suggest changing first--dropping the dreamfeed or the 4 hour schedule during the day? My second question is do you gradually move to a 4 hour schedule by doing a 3 1/2 schedule for a week or so first or do you try to just start extending it to 4 hours?

Plowmanators said...

Ethan's mom,

I would rule out possible reasons for the nap problems, including medical reasons like reflux.

He might be having a hard time adjusting to you going back to work.

Once you know he is 100% fine and is just not going to sleep for naps, I recommend CIO if possible. Remember that things you start now will not go away in the future and around 5-7 months he will outgrow the swing.

Your breasts will adjust as he continuously sleeps through the night. It should only take a few days. Since you need to avoid engorgement, you can pump to relieve pressure, but don't pump so much that your body doesn't make the proper adjustment to milk supply.

Plowmanators said...

NicoleFiehler, thanks! I am glad to be of service.

Drop the dreamfeed first.

As far as 4 hour schedule goes, it can be done in a variety of ways. See the blog label "four hour schedule" for much information on this topic.

kelly said...

I have a four week old (born 5 weeks early). We are on a three hour schedule 7am, 10, 1pm, 4, 7 (bedtime), 10 (DF), and two night feedings. We are letting her sleep at night and waking up naturally for a feeding (no longer than 5 hours though). Last night she woke up after four hours at 2am and 3.5 hours at 5:30. She fell asleep at 6:30am. Our start time is 7am. Should I wake her up at 7am or let her sleep a little longer, sometime inbetween 7 and 10?

Also she seems to have days and nights confused. Any suggestions?

Rachel Stella said...


This is what I did. If my son woke up 30 minutes or less before our normal wake time I'd make this our wake time. If he woke up say an hour before our normal wake time I'd make 30 minutes after our normal wake time his wake time. So if the normal wake time is 7 am, then if he WAKES at 6:30 or later this is his wake time for that day. If he wakes like at 6:00 then I'd make 7:30 his wake time for the day. I did it like this to spread out the eating times a bit and to ensure he got a little bit of sleep in between since a baby that young will not be able to function well at all with no sleep. I hope that made sense. It also made it a lot easier for me to have a strict rule to follow since I had a half way functioning brain in the middle of the night and early in the morning.

Plowmanators said...


I did the same as Rachel (thanks Rachel!). See this post for more on that:

Early Morning Feedings Before Waketime:

With days and nights confusion, the solution is to have waketime during the day. See this post for help doing that slowly:

Adding Waketime to Your Newborn's Day :

onelilone said...

I'm not sure if I am on the right schedule for my 11wk old. We are currently doing 6am/9am/12pm/3pm/6pm/9pm then bed with 1-2 night feedings. I was doing 8:30pm/10:30pm instead of the 9pm but was having such a hard time waking her at 10:30 my friend suggested I go down to just 9pm. She slept 7.5 hours once at 6wks old but hasn't done it again since. She is currently getting me up once sometimes twice at night, with her 8:30/10:30 she usually only woke me up once. I am so discouraged since my friends babies are already sleeping 7-8hrs at night and they are a month younger than her. They all kept telling me she should be doing 9-10 hours by now. I'm not sure if I have messed up her nighttime sleep because I switched her around and if I should go back to 8:30/10:30pm or if 9pm is ok. She just didn't want to really wake up for the 10:30 feeding. She takes naps during the day and usually stays awake 1-1.5 hours then goes down. She does have reflux so I try to minimize how much she crys during these times. For naps she usually fusses about 5-10 minutes but at bedtime can fuss for up to a hour. I'm not sure what I should be doing for her. Have I completly ruined any chance of her sleeping 7-8hrs or worse 9-10hrs because I switched her around? Should I go back to her old schedule and try to wake her up at 10:30pm? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Plowmanators said...

If she needs the feedings, cutting back from 8:30/10:30 to just 9:00 will keep night feedings around longer. If she slept better with that, I would go back to it.

Also, keep in mind that reflux plays a HUGE role in sleep. Kaitlyn was an awesome sleeper, but still didn't STTN until she was 3 months old. Now that I have McKenna who is also an awesome sleeper, I can see what a difference that reflux made for Kaitlyn.

You have never completely ruined anything. You can cause more work for yourself, but you can't ruin it.

Another thing, it is completely in the realm of expectations for some BW babies to not STTN until 12 weeks. When you add reflux to the mix, it makes it even harder. Check out the blog label "reflux" for more.

The Cervantes' Spot said...

My baby boy is 6 weeks (almost 7 weeks). We are trying to implement BW, but naps are a struggle. Sometimes he goes down great without any help, other times it will take an hour to get him down. (He will cry, we will try to soothe him, and the cycle repeats.) We try to let him cry until it is obvious he is not going to settle himself. His awaketimes are long and he stays happy, so his naps rarely exceed an hour and can sometimes only be 30 min.
My goal is for him to eventually wake at 8 and go down around 8 or 9 for the night. Right now, I am feeding on a 2 1/2 - 3 hour schedule. Many mornings he wakes between 7:30 and 8 and his last feeding at night is usually between 11 and 11:30. He will sleep until about 4 and that is the only time I feed him at night. It is great to only have one night time feeding. However, my question is with the time between when I feed him at 8:30 or 9 and then at 11. We have been keeping him up for a little while and then trying to get him to nap. He doesn't go down easy and sometimes doesn't nap at all. We are stuck on what to do during this time. Should we put him right to sleep after feeding at 9 and wake him for a feeding at 11:30? If so, do you think he will sleep until 4 or should we prepare to adjust our night time schedule? I am a first time mom and feeling really overwhelmed. We are trying to not overstimulate him, but he stays alert and happy for usually 30 min after he eats. Any advice would be great!! Thank you!

kelly said...

I have a 10 week old baby and am confused about the scheduling. She has been doing the three hour schedule starting at 7am. She should be sleeping 7-8 hours (which sometimes happens) but I don't see how that is possible on a three hour schedule and 7 feedings in 24 hours. (Babywise says to not have fewer than 7 feedings until Baby is sleeping 7-8 hours at night.) The 3-hour schedule ends up being 1:00 in the morning (as the seventh feeding), getting up at 7:00am, which is only 6 hours inbetween feedings. Does this mean that my baby needs to be on a 2.5 hour schedule to get in seven feedings which will allow her to sleep 7-8 hour? Please advise. Thanks!

Plowmanators said...

Cervante's Spot, I am sorry! I didn't get notified of your comment and only just now saw it. In case you still need it answered, keep waketime as short as possible after that 8:30/9:00 feeding. I would basically feed, diaper change, put in PJs if he isn't there already, then right to bed.

Plowmanators said...


Many people feed sooner than 3 hours when needed to get the feedings in. But you don't have to. With 6 feedings in the day, and one at night, you would have:


then a feeding in the night makes 7. Baby can go down to 6 feedings once that night feeding is dropped.

kelly said...

Thank you for answering my question. Would you fit in seven feedings during the day instead of having a night feeding? If so, what would the schedule look like for you?

Also, my baby was really fussy today (gas or constipation) and was off schedule so much that her last feeding was at 8:30 (usually 10pm). After the 10pm feeding she usually sleeps until 7am. She had the normal amount of ounces today (bottle-feeding) for the normal six feedings during the day. I am thinking of feeding her at 10:30 so that she sleeps until 7am instead of waking up early. I imagine she would be very awake and want to play after sleeping a long stretch. What would you do for this situation?

Thank you for this blog. It is wonderful! I really appreciate your time and effort to post entries as well as answer questions. I know that you are busy with a newborn now. So whenever you get a chance to answer my questions, I will appreciate it!

kelly said...

Hi. I have another question and whenever you get to it, I appreciate your time. My baby (14 weeks) still cries when I put her down for a nap during the day. It is her normal nap cry - nothing unusual, last less than 5 minutes and ends with sighing or talking or a yawn. Is this normal? Do babies ever stop crying when put down for a nap? Thanks.

Rachel Stella said...


I think they probably all eventually stop crying, but some will take quite a while before they stop (several more weeks than 14 weeks). It depends on the baby I think. It probably depends on if mom is doing something to reinforce the crying too...not saying that you are but think about what you are doing to make sure you aren't.

Jessi said...

I've just begun scheduling my almost 2 month old son. I seriously just started today. And honestly, he's done beautiful with minimal crying. However, I've got him on a 3 hour schedule, beginning at 8am and bed time is at 9am. His nap lengths are 2 hours. I was wondering if that is too long? It took him 30 minutes (of crying) to go to bed. Before we didn't have a set bedtime and it was whenever he fell asleep nursing. He usually sleeps 3-4 hours at a time at night. Should I keep at the 3 hour schedule and see how it goes for a couple of day or would you recommend bumping him down to a 2.5 hour schedule with 1.5 hour naps? His play time only lasts about 15 minutes, and then he starts getting tired (I think, his sleep cues and feed cues have DISAPPEARED!).

Plowmanators said...


To get 7 feedings in the day, you would cluster feed in the evening.

then Dreamfeed anywhere from 10-11

In the case of her feeding being at 8:30, I would have fed her again at 10:30.

Plowmanators said...


Most do stop crying, but some cry a bit for a long time. My good friend (Kelli :) ) has a son who cried for about 5 minutes before every nap until he was about a year old.

Plowmanators said...

Jessi, two hour naps are definitely not too long. I would stick with three hours if that works for him.

Firecracker said...

Hi there, I have a question about my 3 week old. I am having alot of problems getting her to sleep, whether it is at night of during the day. She doesn't want to go to bed on me, or by herself. She will is starting to stay up the whole time between feedings (2-3 hours!) I don't know what to do. I have tried swaddling her, but it makes her made. I have tried letting her cry it out, but that doesn't work. I have tried rocking her to see if I can encourage sleep and nothing. Please help me.

Plowmanators said...


Have you see the post "waking early from naps/won't fall asleep for naps"? that has all of my ideas for that situation.

karamia said...

Ok, my baby is 9 weeks old. According to your suggestions for that age (using the max amount of wake time, 1.5hrs, on a 3.5hr schedule), baby is sleeping 17hrs a day? Did I do the math right?

Most of the info I've read says babies this age should be getting 15-16 hours of sleep a day and my son is averaging 14-15. He is happy and healthy, so I don't think I need to make him sleep more. In fact, when I try to get him to nap more during the day (2 hour naps on a 3.5 hour schedule), he wakes up more during the night.

I was just curious what you might think about my situation. I want to make this babywise stuff work, but I don't want to force my baby into a schedule that doesn't work for his specific needs. Should I keep trying to get him to sleep on schedule, or modify the daytime schedule so he has more waketime?

Rachel Stella said...


When making a schedule, you make it with your individual baby's needs in mind which seems like you have done. So if you are putting baby to sleep when he seems tired and he is happy, then I'd guess that you are doing things just right. The averages listed are guidlines but there are definitely going to be babies that vary. I know you didn't ask me, but I figured I'd mention this since It might take Valerie several days to get to your question :)

Plowmanators said...


The thing to remember with averages is that they get that number from lots of other numbers. The "average" is really a number that few babies are at. The average is reached by taking several numbers, adding them together, dividing them by the number of numbers, and there is your average.

So if you had one baby at 15 hours, one baby at 18 hours, one baby at 12, and one at 17, the average would be 15.5. Only one of those babies is actually close to "average."

BW is all about doing what works for your baby. It would be impossible for them to list every scenario encountered by every baby in one book. My blog is thousands upon thousands of pages, and I haven't even come close to covering everything just with my three children. The book gives guidelines and generalities, and then you have to take those and apply them to your individual child.

If you are interested, you can see what the majority of babies are sleeping at different ages by looking at the "sleep totals" blog label. But do be sure to realize that there is a majority, but also many other numbers that are working for people.

karamia said...

Thanks, I appreciate your feedback. We are getting the hang of things over here (slowly, but surely).

nicnac said...

I have found this blog extremely helpful! After reading babywise and reviewing a lot of the post here I've figured out the following schedule. It might be helpful for others having issues!
I didn't start scheduling until 6 weeks. I was frusterated because my son was naturally wanting to eat every 2.5 hours but I couldn't get his wake/nap times consistant. And sometimes he would be so tired and hungry he would eat a little, sleep just long enough only to wake up hungry again, but not awake enough to eat a full meal... and the cycle would just continue. Anyway, we started doing eat/wake/sleep and I would just watch his behavior to see when he was ready for a nap. I should also mention he is a slow eater! The first week (he was 7 weeks old) he would eat for 45minutes, be awake for 15-30 after that, then sleep for an hour and a half. Here's what his 7 week typical day would look like:
8am feed
8:45-9:15 play
9:15-10:30 nap
10:30-11:15 feed
12-1:30 nap
1:30-2:15 feed
2:15-3 play
3-4:30 nap
4:30-5:15 feed
5:15-6 play
7-7:30 nap
7:30-8:15 feed
8:15-9:30 or 10 play
10pm feed and put to bed
let him wake himself at night, anywhere from 2-6 hours later. Usually alway would wake up in the morning around 8am

A few notes, I usually go to bed around 11/12 and was trying to dream feed. My pediatrician recommended stopping the dream feed as she said it's better to let his body get hungry, wake himself up to eat so he gets use to his own body's hunger cues. Also it helps him get the point that eating is for the day, sleeping for the night. It made sense and it seemed I was doing the dream feed more for my benefit than perhaps what was best for my son. It did help me get a little longer stretch of sleep, but he was still waking up once at night so I'm not sure if it was really needed. Maybe if your baby is waking up 2x at night it would be more helpful.

As I wasn't strictly scheduling when to put him down for a nap I found that his wake times over the last couple of weeks would be a little longer, his naps have gradually gotten a little longer, and we are almost dropping our night feed naturally. Also, he is getting faster at eating. Only 20-30minutes rather than 45-1 hour.

He's 9 weeks old and the last couple of days he will sleep around 7 hours and wake up at 5-6am for a feeding, still going back down to sleep without a play time, and will then wake up three hours later ready to start his day. I've found that unless I have a scheduled time I need to leave the house that AM (which in that case I get him up at the time that I want him to start his day/cycle), that our nights are better if I let him sleep as long as possible at night. During the day I don't let him sleep longer than 2 hours. But that pushes his feedings to be every 3-3.5 hours. The last couple of days have looked like this:

7:30 wakeup
7:30-8 feed
8-9 wake
9-10:30 sleep
10:30-11 feed
11-12:30 wake
12:30-2 sleep
2-2:30 feed
2:30-3:30 wake
3:30-5:30 sleep
5:30-6 feed
6-7:30 wake (which is great because my husband gets home and holds/plays with him during this time)
7:30-8:30 sleep
8:30-9 feed
9-10 wake
10 put down for the night
He has woken himself up to eat anywhere from 2am to 5am the last few nights, eats for 20 minutes, and goes back to sleep until 7-8.

A slightly less scheduled schedule has helped me feel less stressed about everything needing to be perfectly timed. And it helps me watch and learn what my son needs, and combine that with what I know is important for him, like long periods of sleep at night, enough food during the day, etc.

A schedule in general, though, has been so helpful to my sanity I can't even tell you!!

And swaddling during nap times was one of the best things I did:)

Plowmanators said...

Thanks for sharing that nicnac!

daniellev84 said...

I am having the hardest time with my son. He started sleeping through the night at 6 1/2 weeks and was down to only 6 nursing feedings a day. His doctor said that he was not gaining weight as before so I needed to wake him at night. Of course, I refused b/c I wanted him to develop good sleeping habits. So I added a feeding during the day. We were feeding every 2 1/2 hours. He was pretty predictable. Eat, then 1:45 min after starting to eat, he would get tired then sleep for 45 min and eat again. He was on track again. About 3 1/2 months he stopped sleeping through the night and acts like he's starving. If I don't feed him he keeps screaming forever. So now he wakes up every 1 1/2 starting at 3 am. I'm so tired. He's 5 months now and is chunky but still expects to eat every 2 1/2 hours during the day. I need to get him to eat every 3 hours. But I'm afraid that he'll wake up even more at night. I also need to get him back where he sleeps through the night. So I started him on cereal for his second to the last feeding. He's starting to get the hang of it, but not completely ready to eat three times a day. Now for my main problem. He doesn't take naps at all during the day. He used to be very regular and I could tell by his sleep cues that he was ready to sleep. Of course he would only sleep for 45 minutes at a time. Now he doesn't sleep at all. He doesn't act tired and when I try to put him down for a nap he cries and cries. Do some children just not sleep?? Do I have to make him take a nap if he's not tired? He may be teething, but I don't want to use that as an excuse for everything. There has to be some semblance of routine. I just don't know what to do. I feel like my problems are compounding. Oh yeah, and he's swaddled. When do I stop that? Sometimes he acts like he wants it sometimes he acts like he doesn't. He always tries to break out like it's a game. But when he does, he cries. Ok. I'm not crazy, just discouraged and tired.. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.


Plowmanators said...

My guess is that you need to figure out waketime length. I don't think you have had it right in the past; 1 hr 45 min is definitely too long for a 6 week old. So I would suggest you see the blog label "optimal waketime" for help in figuring that out.

He also might be ready to drop the swaddle now. See "swaddling" for more on that.

I would first focus on the waketime length. Once you have that figured out, you can move on to other things.

The Harts said...

Hi! My daughter is almost 10 wks old. She eats every 3 hrs: 6, 9,12,3,6,9 then bed. She started SSTN at 7 wks and did it continuously for about 8 days. For the past week though though she has SSTN every other night and the other nights woken at 4-4:30 therefore I end up nursing her around 4:30 those mornings. When her usual wake time is 6, after going down at 5:30 I have a hard time wanting to wake her at 6 or even 6:30 though I know I should be consistent. What should I do and by do you think she has started waking earlier??

Plowmanators said...

Harts, it could be a growth spurt. As for what to do, see the post "Early morning feedings before waketime"

angie said...

Ok, so I have a question. Our newest baby is 6 weeks old. She has been an angel and has been eating and sleeping great since the beginning. The thing is, she started sleeping 6-7 hrs at night when she was 4 weeks old. I would sometimes wake her up, but have decided to let her sleep. She eats every 3 hrs during the day, sometimes 3.5 hrs' and I can tell she does fine with that and is ready to consistently eat every 3.5 hrs. But i read on this post that she shouldn't be sleeping that long yet and that she should be getting 7-8 feedings in a day. Right now she only eats
6 times if she doesnt wake at night. She is gaining weight beautifully, an ounce a day so far.
Is what im doing ok? This is our second child and we did baby wise with our first,,,,she didnt sstn until she was 11 weeks old, so this was never an issue!
I'd appreciate your input, thanks!

Plowmanators said...

Angie, watch her growth and so far as growth is okay, it is okay. Plus by this point, she is 8 weeks old and that is fine to go 7-8 hours at that age.

Anyway, if growth is good and baby is happy, then it is fine :)

Carrie Morris said...

I will be switching my 3-month-old to five feedings and three naps soon and I was just wondering what you would recommend for the schedule. I was thinking feedings at 7:30, 11:00, 2:30, 6:00 and 9:30 but I'm not entirely sure where to put the three naps in... Thank you.

Tarayn Comer said...

Hey everyone!! I have an almost 10 week old who's been STTN for a week now!!! (yay) I know it's not time to stretch the daytime feelings just yet but BW says to start bw 12-15 weeks going to a 3.5/4 hr schedule. My question is Bw also suggests to drop a dreamfeed (which we've never really done) and the late evening feed during this time as well. Anyone just been through this phase or have any advice to offer???

Our current schedule looks like this:
6:30 (wake and eat)
7:30-8 nap
9:30 eat and WT
10:30-11 nap
12:30 eat and WT
1:30-2 nap
3:30 eat and WT
4:30-5 catnap
6:30 eat and WT
Catnap 30% of the time but normally stretches to the next feeding then goes to bed
8:30 (bed, no wake time)

So, do you see anything wrong with this? Would I try to stretch the feelings and then drop the late evening (8:30) or adjust 4:30-6:30-8:30??? Or do I drop th late evening (8:30) and then stretch?? Any advice is greatly appreciated!!

Michelle said...

My Baby Is Now 14 Weeks Old. I've Been Doing BabyWise Since He Was Two Weeks Old. I Put Him Down For His Naps 45/50 Min After Waketime. He Has Always Fallen Asleep Fairly Well. Minimal Crying. I Also Had To Wake Him To Eat After Most Naps. He Has Been Taking Shorter Naps This Week...And I'm Not Sure Why? He Also Doesn't Sleep Through The Night Yet. He Usually Only Wakes Up Once Each Night. Because He Hasn't Been Napping As Long...I Have To put Him To Bed A Little Earlier. Is That What You Would Do Or Would You Keep Him Up Just To Say He's Going To Bed At "Regular Bedtime"?
By The Way I Am So Thankful For This Bog!!

Valerie Plowman said...

Hi Michelle, thanks :) I would try keeping him up about 5 minutes longer and see if that helps his naps. If not, it might just be wonder week related.

Bedtime is usually in the 7 pm hour, so I would anytime in that hour and call it bedtime. If he wakes in the 8 am hour, have it at 8 pm.


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