Friday, June 4, 2010

Reader 4 Month Old Questions

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Sleep Problems
  • Rachel said...
    I;m at my wits end. My daughter is 14 weeks and was taking pretty good naps for the last 7-8 weeks. I feel like we are starting all over again with CIO. She wont go down for her naps without crying and she wakes up about 30-45 minutes in and wont fall back to sleep. She is not sleeping much during the day at all. Maybe about 45 minutes max. She sleeps for about 11 hours at night and is breastfed. Any ideas?June 2, 2008 4:08 PM

    Rachel,You are right around that time for the four month disruptions. See this post:4 month Sleep Problems : I agree with Charlotte's advice that it is a good chance it is a hunger issue.June 2, 2008 11:01 PM
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  • Stephanie said...

    HELP!!! I'm so frusterated. We have been following bw for my 4 month son whole life and he is not sleeping through the night yet and in fact is starting to wake up more. I'm not sure what we are doing wrong. He was on a 2.5 hour schedule but stop being intersted in eating and so we moved him to a 3 hour schedule which worked better. He goes to bed at 7:30 but then starts waking up1-3 times a night, never a consistent time. We have tried cio but it goes on for 2 hours with no end in sight. Sometime we have tried rocking him, feeding him less and less time and nothing seems to work. What can I do?????StephanieAugust 4, 2008 1:26 PM

    Plowmanators said...

    Stephanie, Try these posts:4 month Sleep Problems :  Nighttime Sleep Issues: August 5, 2008 10:49 PM
  • Claudia said...

    I am confused. My baby turned 4 months old on Sept the 7th. As far as i knew he has been a textbook baby even an angel baby. From the beggining we started him on babywise. We have never needed to let him CIO (as much).There was always a neede that came with his crying. He was either wet or hungry or needed to be burped and back to sleep for his nap or the night. He did exactly as the book would say. Of course there are the times he would cry as months passed into naps but they were not heartfelt, I probably kept him awake for too long or he just needs to wrestle his sleep a bit and back to his nap.Sept. 16 my husband and I took to the doctor for his second set of vaccines. He was fuzzy,got a light fever the usual after vaccines (so they tell me)but somewhere around the lines things have been changing. Last week he has cried almost everytime before his nap. HE awakes after 30min or 45min. He doesnt go back to sleep as he usually does. He sleeps on his tummy. He flips to his back. He can almost crawl and this friday and Saturday he has cried before his naps but not the light hearted one. No, he cries as if he has been hurt. The type of cry I've only heard him do when something is wrong or scared.Like when he gets his shots type of cry. His lip quivers. Yesterday I picked him up let him know everything was ok. My mom came to visit and helped him to sleep by padding his back and holding his hand. My husband tries by picking him up and padding his back. Me on the other hand try to be tough and check what is the culprit. Could it be he is starting to teeth, he is more aware of surroundings, he might have a growth spurt, maybe is too hot or cold... My mind wonders. I have been checking this last week. Does he need to stay awke longer. It backfires. Maybe less time awake. So I put him in his crib and he cries past his naptime.I go to my husband for support because he is more assertive and stonger but when it comes to our baby he is the biggest softy. last night he looked at me like how could you let him cry like this.I feel alone and confused this is not usual for my baby. And I am sure he will go back to normal after I wite this I hope but I cant help to feel...helpless!This is my first child. The only one doing BW. I am sure I mess up because I don't know it all. I get mad at my husband for not helping more. Like reading this Blog so he can help out with ideas. Ian just woke up. Needs his last feeding; I will pray for wisdom once again tommorrow is another day.!September 27, 2008 6:43 PM

    Plowmanators said...

    Claudia, the milestones can be big problems for sleep. See this post:Nap Disruptions: Rolling, Standing, Crawling, etc:  4 month Sleep Problems :

    Hang in there and keep troubleshooting! Perhaps bring it up with his doctor.

    October 6, 2008 3:17 PM
  • abbyandcompany said...

    so i am turning to the internet to remedy a problem that i just cannot fix!we are a babywise family; having siad that I have an almost four month old that I started on BW immediately (not the cio, i started that at 2 weeks) and she is a nightmare. She just started becoming happy about a month ago and she does not STTN at all! For a couple of weeks she was going to bed at 8:30pm and waking sometime b/tween 2:30 and 3:00 am and then again at 7:00 or so. Now she is getting up at midnight to feed and sometimes again at 3:00 am (last niht was an anomoly and she slept until 7:30 am after getting up at 1:30). I haven't ever gone more than 6 hours at a stretch and even then i can count them on one hand. I am at my witts end. What am i doing wrong??

    January 3, 2009 12:47 AM

    Plowmanators said...

    Abbyandcompany,4 months is a common time for difficulties. See this post and let me know if you have further problems:

    4 month Sleep Problems :

    January 7, 2009 5:02 PM
Nap Problems
  • Susanna said...
    Valerie,My 4 month old has been on a 3 nap schedule for months now. (He never took the 4th nap so we dropped it at almost 2 months) What do you do when he wakes early from his last nap of the day? I would ideally like him to nap from 2-4:30-ish so that he will have 2 hours of waketime before being fed for bedtime at 6:30 p.m. But today, he woke after 45 minutes. I did CIO for 20 minutes to no avail. I went in and changed his diaper, etc and layed him back but he continued to scream. He's now awake and playing in the crib which means his waketime will be really long. I have thought about the 45 min intruder but each time I offer a supplemental bottle of formula after nursing, he's not interested. Would you try to lay him back down for a 4th nap since he didn't really nap well? Thanks...June 6, 2008 3:40 PM Plowmanators said...
    I would either try for a short catnap or an earlier bedtime. At that age, I think I would shoot for the catnap. I would just be sure to keep it short enough that he will be tired in time for bedtime.June 9, 2008 9:24 AM
  • Corzine family said...
    Hi Val,I've posted a couple of comments in other areas but haven't received any response so I thought I might try a post here. I know comments were down for a while so hopefully this makes it through. Here is my dilemna. My son is 4 months and used to sleep through the night 10-11 hrs. Around 15 weeks old he started waking early and sometimes after only sleeping 8-9 hrs. I decided to drop his 4th nap and put him down to bed earlier at 7pm hoping he'd tack the nap onto his night sleep and stop NW. It helped for a few days and still does sometimes but most of the time he still wakes between 3 and 5am. Our waketime is 7am. I have been treating like a growth spurt and adding more at his feedings during the day. We've even started solids. I've also been through all your differents posts and lists and I've tried everything but it just isn't happening. The only thing I can think of left is he doesn't eat very much at 6/6:30pm when I feed him before bed. I think because he just ate at 4pm (still on a 3 hr schedule) so he is still kind of full and there isn't much milk in my breasts because he just ate and it is later in the day when there isn't much milk. He seems satisfied after the feeding but I am thinking of offering him a couple of ozs of formula to try and top him off to see if that will help with the NW. At this point I think it is the only option left. I can try and let him CIO but he always seems hungry when I go to check on him but when I do feed him he isn't very hungry for breakfast. What am I doing wrong? I was so confident with BW b/c of how well he has slept since the beginning but now I feel like giving up. If you have any advice I could sure use it right now.October 4, 2008 5:03 AM
    Plowmanators said...
    Corzine, I just answered a question of yours somewhere...I am still not getting notified of comments. I am trying to find them the best I can, but I obviously miss many.It is totally normal to have these set backs.One thing, if he isn't eating well at 6:30, can you push him back to 7:00?
    Be sure to see this post:4 month Sleep Problems : Also, could you try a dreamfeed? He is at the age they usually drop it, but if it helps him sleep during hours you sleep, it would be worth it.
    Thanks Val, Yeah I saw your other comment and thanks for both! I have tried to push his before bedtime feed at 6:30pm up to 7pm but he is just way too tired by then and won't eat well because of it. His last nap ends at 4pm and he can't make it until 7pm without eating since he is awake and staring at his food source. That's why I feed at 6:30pm and put him down at 7pm. I have started rice cereal and we are up to 2x a day and I've also started giving him a couple of ozs of formula after he nurses before bed. The first night he still woke up around 3am but I thought there is no way he is waking out of hunger given all the extra food he is getting during the day. Now that I feel confident it isn't hunger, cold, hot, etc I've determined it must be a habit that formed (maybe during a GS) that he just couldn't let go of. I let him CIO the first night and after 45 minutes he fell back asleep and stayed asleep until I had to wake him for his first am feed which he ate really well for-finally! Last night was our 2nd night and he didn't wake in the MON and actually made it until 5:30am which was 10.5 hrs. As long as we are back on track with 10-12 hrs I can deal with the early morning wakings it was just the MON wakings that were killing me. Especially when I knew what he was capable of and after he had been doing 10.5 hrs consistently for so long. HOpefully this means we are back on track now. I never anticipated these types of set-backs but I guess my lesson learned here is never get too comfortable! Thanks again Val.
    Plowmanators said...
    Corzine, I am glad you are having some success!

1 comment:

Jillian Bragg said...

I have a 2yr old daughter and a 4.5 month old son. We did babywise with our daughter. We weren't super strict with all aspects, but when it came to routine/schedule we were and she did well. My son, however, is a different story.

Desmond has never wanted to schedule out. I have tried everything I know to try. I've studied him, I've watched for sleep cues, I've tried stretching wake times, shrinking them, I've tried consistent wake time. I've tried waking him to give him consistent stretches between feedings and I've tried letting him sleep until he wakes. He used to never put himself down, but I finally got him to do that a couple months ago.

The big issues are:
-He STILL at 4.5 months is eating every 2.5-3hrs!
I have him waking up at 7am. Lately he will only eat 1-2oz and then seems to be tired after 30-40min since waking and is put back down. Usually, he then has to be woken at the 3-3.5hr mark to eat again (He's still out). His wake time then is about 40-60min. Naps the rest of the day don't last long. Sometimes an hr making it only 2hrs since his last feeding. Sometimes he's even under the 2hr mark. No matter the stretch he almost always is ready for food, however the amount is always random too. it's anywhere from 3-5oz. (We just weaned to formula) His nap lengths and feedin stretches seem to shorten as the day progresses. There was one random week, about a month and a half ago, where he was on an almost consistent/predictable 3hr schedule. But only for one week.
-He also has yet to sleep through the night. He's had less than 10 nights total, and at random, where he slept a 6-9hr stretch. By that one consistent week, he was down to waking 1-2 times a night but since has been waking 2-3 and in the last couple weeks is now up to waking 3-5 times a night. The last few days, when he wakes at night, he's wailing like a mad man until I feed him.

It's so hard because I can never tell when he's going through a growth spurt, wonder week or teeth (He has had 2-6 teeth hanging out under his gums for a couple months now with no noticeable progress), so I never know when to cater to those needs. He's always been all over the map and after months of trying to figure him out I finally got to the point of thinking I just needed to accept that he was his own little being and wasn't going to do what I wanted and just try to stick to a pattern if not a schedule. But now that his sleeping and eating habits have gotten so much worse I HAVE to find something that works for him. I'm completely exhausted and have no energy left for him let alone his older sister and anything else that needs done.


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